Sleep Achievements are reward badges for your accomplishments and milestones, representing your progress. They give you something to strive for. You can collect them all, and share your accomplishments with your friends.
I’ve used this app for over 10 years, it’s kind of insulting that you’ve now added achievements to gameify the app.
Hello @maloki, many thanks for your feedback. Why do you think it is insulting? Achievements are primarily means for new users to discover all the rich offering of the app’s features. If you are a 10 year user of the app you have probably discovered all of it and achievements do not bring much of a benefit for you. In this case there isn’t IMHO anything easier that just swiping the Achievement card from your Dashboard and never see it again!
It’s ableist to treat sleep like a competition. And it’s centring the app - making it about “discovering” its features, rather than helping people by providing a service.
Sleep is a struggle for a lot of folks and making it into a game is literally disappearing them from use of your app.
I’ve always recommend the app because it hadn’t given into this kind of bullshit, and because of that long track record, I didn’t think it would be. You’ve often left us the choice to add stuff with add-ons instead of it being built in. And this definitely seems like the add-on territory instead of built in.
I think it’s great. People getting vexed over something that is positive is bizarre.
I totally disagree with your incoherent rambling. The app is being constantly improved and if you don’t like the new functionality, don’t use it. Some people will like the addition of badges to help them strive to improve their sleep.
People like to be angry about everything these days.
Thanks for expressing your viewpoint so clearly: it’s really helped me understand why I feel uncomfortable with the achievements.
I will be removing them from my home screen but I don’t believe there’s a way to remove them from the app entirely. This feature should’ve been opt-in, not opt-out.
Been using the app for 9 years and I do feel like it’s a bit of a tacky addition. It might seem like a silly suggestions but changing the wording from “achievements” to something like “milestone goals” is perhaps a healthier way to frame them?
And there should probably be a complete opt out for those who don’t want anything like this
I kinda disagree with you on this matter. Simply due to the fact that if you don’t like the feature why aren’t you mad at the fact that different countries stats are on display? Isn’t that a problem? I also disagree with another point you made about how users are leaving the app due to this change. What is your proof of this other then your friends and family that IMHO will just agree with you because they know better then to start and argument over such an insignificant thing. Especially since it can be disabled. You are not being forced to use it. So I am lead to believe that either you don’t like games or are just afraid of change. Life would be better for everyone if you just were a little bit more open minded. This is just my own opinion. Just like you have yours. Just don’t try to force others to live life by your standards.
Hello, many thanks to all of you for your feedback on this. So far we did not see any negative feedback on Achievements other than those on this thread. But definitely many thanks for your opinion on this as we will make sure to keep this in mind whenever we design new features in the app.
Also we do not see any outflow of users, on the contrary the user base did increase quite a lot in January. And honestly one of the biggest issues with the app is the steep learning curve for new users and we really hope Achievements will make it easier especially for new users to learn all the different features in the app in a little more attractive way than a simple checklist or on-boarding tutorial.
Still we definitely do not want to make Sleep as Android into the Duolingo of Sleep :).. and we do not plan any further gamification elements in the near future. Achievements are really just mean to make the on boarding process more seamless and for any experience users it is just one slide away to completely get rid of it.
Instead for the next release we focus on redesign on the graph detail screen and the morning screen to better separate edit features from the detailed view, explain more about the charts on screen without needing to go to documentation and making those screens more customizable for power users e.g.: allow to pin cards to top or slide cards away on the sleep’s detail as well as morning screen for a more customized experience..
Tha lnks fir making it all poss-(able). Your polite pandering has made me more ABLE to look past the postering of this one user’s offended input.
And in all honesty, I would like to see how poorly people perform at the beginning of their use of the sleep app compared to 10 years later, or how useful the extra features are in affecting behavior. I’m obvi no scientist, just interested in the Gen pops stats… Ive been using the app for perhaps a decade as well.
Though I realize that there are likely outliers of that may feel poorly about their own performance if they see it and, compare themselves. Maybe a little i inside a circle to state that all the features and the app itself are tools and information cannot make you feel a certain way. Only a subjective internal diaolgue can posit negative emotions, typically.
From this achievement, You can share your accomplishments with friends and family, encouraging them to improve their sleep as well. 
Bonjour est-ce que ça m’étonne que des hommes soient content d’être en compétition ? absolument pas. Est-ce que ça m’étonne que des hommes jugent selon leurs besoins, ça ne m’étonne pas. Car le mode empathie n’est pas du tout sélectionné dans ce genre de réponse. Est-ce que ça m’étonne qu’il t’enlève ton droit d’être différent, encore moins. Avec leurs besoins d’avoir raison peu importe ce que tu dis quand tu es une femme, il y a toujours un homme pour dire tu as tort. Et moi je te dis que tu as raison c’est ton ressorti ça te gêne tu as le droit. Tu as le droit de t’exprimer et de dire ce que tu penses. Ils ont cru qu’ils étaient valable de donner leur avis sur ce que toi tu ressens. Et ton avis est aussi important que n’importe lequel. Merci de l’avoir donné. Il y a tous les hommes qui ont répondu ce n’est pas votre avis qu’on attendait parce que ça ne vous concernait pas si l’application vous convient telle qu’elle est bien vous en fasse. Mais vous n’avez pas donné votre avis comme ça vous concerne pas.
Est-ce que ça m’étonne qu’un homme ait besoin de donner son point de vue pour contredire une femme ? Absolument pas. On t’a pas demandé ton jugement on prend en compte le sien une notion que tu ne sais pas faire
Un homme qui répond sans prendre en compte que ce n’est pas son point de vue qui est important mais le point de vue de la personne qui le consomme. Que tu ne sois pas d’accord ça n’a aucune importance puisque c’est ton ressenti et ton point de vue pas le sien. Il est temps de prendre à réfléchir et d’avoir un peu d’apprenti sinon on est juste un robot
“Incoherent rambling”?!
I beg your pardon? That is a deliberately vile choice of words to describe a perfectly coherent criticism. It would seem that you’re triggered by the word “ableist” because it is typically used by the “woke” and while I think that it has been overused during “peak woke” (along with “micro-aggression”, purity tests and the annoyong competition to be the wokest and just morally better than the “deplorables”, affording some people the opportunity to behave objectively bad while being holier than thou), that is not the original commenter’s fault and her perfectly valid criticism of styling sleep as a competition, is exactly what the concept of ableism is about. You seem incapable of grasping that because the culture war trained you to become aggressive when you hear one of the forbidden words (like “inclusion”), however fitting that word might be.
You have the gall to tell someone that “life would be better” if she didn’t behave in the way you fantasize that she does while you don’t know anything about her? You’re entitled to disagree with someone’s criticism but that is several steps to far!
I agree with all of your points!
Sleep is a sore point for many and treating it (or the use of the app) as a competition is a really bad idea! Statistics about different countries’/sleep stats are interesting (and fine to include as long as they’re not presented like it’s a competition). Achievements and gamification, though, really do make it about the app and the competition and being constantly nudged to “better” yourself, to compete with your past self and others. That should be relegated to actual games (or at least be 100 % opt-in).
It is also very tacky and reminiscent of the unbearable amount of gamification and nagging for engagement in apps like Duolingo and Yazio, which is not just bad style, but repulsive to a lot of people who have endured that insulting user expérience until it was too much. I’m not saying the comparatively very mild amount of annoying gamification in SAA is anywhere near that nightmarish degree but it really made me fear that enshittification has finally come for SAA.
I came here to look for how to disable those annoying animations (dear Pétr, please don’t turn SAA into Yazio or Duolingo!), only to find that the community of users suffers from some people with utterly disguisting behavior.
I have to commend Pétr for being perfectly polite and not inviting this kind of behavior but I would have expected some reprimands for users personally attacking and insulting other users (I might be guilty of that myself now but I just couldn’t let those vile reactions to maloki’s criticisms stand unopposed!).