Deep Sleep Percentage

So my deep sleep percentage has been around 40-45ish. The average for the US seems to be 50ish according to SAA data. I shared that with a friend of mine that has a Fitbit. He was surprised to hear that and said that his % is around 20-25, and that that’s around normal. I got curious and looked around the internet, and pretty much all info says that normal deep sleep is about 10-25% (example: https://www.healthline.com/health/how-much-deep-sleep-do-you-need). So how come SAA’s deep shows as much higher than what should be typical? I’m sure there is a good explanation :slight_smile:

My guess is that it has to do with there being 2 stages of “light” sleep, one much deeper than the other. So, it’s a judgement call as to where to put stage 2 sleep. True Delta wave sleep is relatively brief, but including stage 2 sleep in “deep” gives people a better picture of their night, I think.

Perhaps those charts will help.

In other words, without eeg sensors, it’s a guessing game between stages 2 and 3. But in both, the sleeper has fallen into a deeper sleep than stage 1 light sleep. To attempt a guess at true Delta wave sleep is perhaps disingenuous, whereas SaA includes both theta wave and delta wave sleep in the deep rather than light sleep category. In both cases, HR and body temperature drop and brain waves fundamentally change.

I thought the answer would be something like this. It would be nice if the devs could chime in as well though.

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Yes, I also would be interested in their point of view.

UPDATE: the past week, I am getting unusually large deep sleep percentages, like 72%. It’s either me, or something has changed with recent updates. I am a beta tester.

Although I am not sleeping long enough for optimal benefit and so that pushes you into more deep sleep, getting percentages above 70 is not even close to normal. This might be something to look into. I will check sleep cloud to see a possible trend.

Hellooo! It’s still happening. Like 77% deep. Too often. Either something is wrong with me and I am nearly comatose, or there’s a bug that needs squashing.

I admit that I am staying up too late doing financial work and learning to code in 21st century languages, which is a whole 'nother order of coding from what I used to do and requires concentration. And job hunting at night. Etc. Etc. Poor sleep habits. But! That’s just too much deep sleep being counted by the algorithm. And it’s missing some intense REM as well. If I wake up to the alarm from a strong dream, ideally, that should be picked up. If I could edit the graph to at least indicate that I was awakened in REM, that’s something a sleep doctor might want to see. And I intend to see one shortly because I am having difficulty sleeping properly. I know the rules of sleep hygiene, but they are hard to follow. Staying up too late. I need a voice and app to turn EVERYTHING OFF! I have a warning notification, but it’s easy to ignore. I will browse the play store for something less work than Tasker. Hue lights, out, WiFi and Data, off, TV Off, etc., etc. Because this is not insomnia. It’s night owl syndrome.

I sleep when I’m utterly exhausted and plunge right into deep sleep.

If the app can do a soft-sided EEG headband, the actual brainwaves could be used. That would end all doubt. But they are almost ALL hard bodied and only good for meditation or if you sleep on your back. I hear rumblings that it might be on the to-do list. The only change from existing monitors is wrapping them in foam. And they cost a fortune!!! Ouch.

I sent a bug report before. But look at this one. I AM alive!

SAA - the first app to detect the zombie apocalypse :))

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Funny, but my request is actually serious. Goodnight. Cause that’s how we roll. Over. :wink: